On Sunday mornings, I try to watch
Meet the Press. This past Sunday, Chuck Todd interviewed Donald Trump. The interview was predictably filled with Trump's fast -talking and glib lies.
What interested me were the comments by the men and women on the round table review of the interview, especially these:
( from the transcript of the show)
LANHEE CHEN:
Yeah, Nixon China. He is in the position. And,
and everyone knows the terms of the deal. Everyone understands what the
Democrats want of it, want out of it. Everyone understands what the Republicans
would like to see in terms of border security and a merit-based system. He's
the one that can get this done. And I, I imagine it's frustrating. This
politics involved. I get that. It's an election year. It's especially difficult
to do immigration in an election year. But I still think the president's the
one with the opportunity to do it and to go out there and actually get this
deal done.
CHUCK TODD:
Peter, is he bluffing-- is he getting a, is he
going to get-- it was interesting. Peggy said, "Always be closing."
But is he going to get, going to get a reputation that he bluffs too much?
PETER BAKER:
Yeah, that's a great question, right? In the
last two weeks, basically, he's done this three times. He did the Mexico and
the tariffs. He says, "I'm going to impose these crippling tariffs, unless
you give me what I want." And then he pulled off, saying he got a deal. He
did the same thing with Iran, not saying he got a deal, but he pulled back on
the strike. And he's just done, this weekend, on these ICE deportations.
"Well, Nancy Pelosi called me. So I decided to hold off for two
weeks."
CHUCK TODD:
By the way, he wants to give Democrats the
credit for that, which I find--
PETER BAKER:
I know. Well--
CHUCK TODD:
--a bit of a head scratcher. On one hand, I
get it with the base. But I don't know if that's smart with swing voters. But
okay.
PETER BAKER:
Yeah, it’s, it’s-- You know, he's being
accommodating. He's saying, "Look, I'm going to be the reasonable guy
here," even though it was a crisis he himself set up. This weekend is
going to be the weekend of mass deportations. Well, maybe it's not. He likes to
create a crisis and then be the solver of this crisis. It is part of the
showman aspect, I think, of his presidency, to some extent. I think he looks at
it as a way of getting to where he wants to go. You put out a maximalist,
almost extreme version of what you want to get in order to push your other side
to get 70%, 80% of where you want. Sometimes, that works. But I think a lot of
the time, right now, he's just sort of, you know, coming up with a deal that's
not much of a deal.
KRISTEN WELKER:
Chuck, in watching your exchange with him
about these kids at the border, it made me think of that phrase that he uttered
over and over again. "I alone can fix it." And I think he's deeply
frustrated that he can't fix this problem. So he did walk right up to the line
of these deportations that were supposed to start today and then say,
"Look. Now, I'm calling on Democrats and Republicans to get something done
on asylum." That's not going to happen. Talk to anyone. That's not going
to happen. What could happen? They are considering these bills that would add
more funding to DHS, to HHS, at the border. And he'll claim credit and say,
"Look. We got this done, ultimately."
CHUCK
TODD:
I want
to talk about what he said about Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. One of your
neighbors on the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Daniel Henninger, had an
interesting observation about Joe Biden and the Sleepy Joe reference. And he says,
it's "Trump's 'Sleepy Joe' Problem. Mr. Biden may be doing so well in the
head-to-heads against Mr. Trump because many voters simply want respite from
the nonstop Trumpian atmosphere of disruption and volatility. For them, 'Sleepy
Joe Biden' may not be an insult. Political belief still matters, but maybe not
as much as neurological relief from political and personality overload."
PEGGY
NOONAN:
Yeah.
CHUCK
TODD:
I
thought that was a-- and in some ways, that interview and this column, you see
how that could go together.
PEGGY
NOONAN:
Oh,
sure. Do you remember, on The Ed Sullivan Show, when we were little children,
there was a guy who came and balanced plates? There'd be a stick. He'd put a
plate up. He'd get it going.
CHUCK
TODD:
Sure.
PEGGY
NOONAN:
He'd
get another, get another. And then he'd run back and forth, just trying to keep
them all up. Balancing plates is part of the tone of this administration and of
this president. Look, it's nonstop harum-scarum. Even something that, in the
past, might've been as cleanly, logically handled as the Iran thing became
nonstop harum-scarum. "It has this meaning. No, it has this meaning. I did
it for this reason." He is exhausting. I think a threat for the president
is that he tends to exhaust, not into submission, but into ultimate aversion.
Many people in the middle, who'd like to, you know, be sympathetic towards him
but just think, "Oh, my goodness. This is too much.
"
CHUCK
TODD:
Right.
Stop tweeting. Stop talking. Stop taunting, whatever it is, right?
PEGGY
NOONAN:
Stop
all the drama.
LANHEE
CHEN:
But,
but that's, that’s how the president gets things done. I mean, that's his
style. This is who he is. I mean, it's this notion that you're going to change
who he is. I think we should just give up on that, right? All the criticism
about there being no process in this White House--
CHUCK
TODD:
There
won’t be one.
LANHEE
CHEN:
Do you
really expect there to be process in this White House? I mean, and the
president arrives at decisions the way he's going to arrive at decisions. I
just, I don't understand all these Democratic candidates out there criticizing
on process. And I get it. I love good process more than anyone else. But why do
that? That is not a compelling argument. He's going to do what he's going to
do.
PEGGY NOONAN:
But
it's not process. Nonstop harum-scarum is sort of an approach that can exhaust
people.
KRISTEN
WELKER:
And I
think he's struggling with how to take on Biden. I mean, you saw that, when he
was in Florida, launching his campaign. So he went back to his talking points
on Hillary Clinton. Because in some ways, he's more comfortable there.
CHUCK
TODD:
He's
decided she was a great candidate now.
KRISTEN
WELKER:
Exactly.
CHUCK
TODD:
By the
way, there was a reason he needs--
PEGGY
NOONAN:
That’s interesting.
CHUCK
TODD:
Yeah,
because she's a great candidate, because it would make his victory seem more--
PETER
BAKER:
That
much more impressive.
PEGGY
NOONAN:
Yes,
yes, yes, yes.